NewsGang Live 01.05.09
Realtime Ping Services – Kevin Marks, David Recordon, Ken Sheppardson, Karoli Kuns, Steve Gillmor discuss the future of FeedBurner. Recorded Monday, January 5, 2009.
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January 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Very much enjoyed this NewsGang. Seemed much more like a GillmorGang in that it was all tech and no politics. I like that. I agree that it’s very important to get RSS to a state where it’s a more “real time” tool. Even if RSS wasn’t built to accomplish that mission, as you point out, there is a clear need for it to take on that mission today.
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January 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Dear Gillmor Gang,
This discussion was rather pathetic and showing a lack in your understanding of how these things work.
FeedBurner first:
From what you’re saying, it seems rather broken. But why would you use it at all? I mean, why wouldn’t you use, for instance, WordPress’es own RSS output?
So the real problem is not a latency in FeedBurner – the real problem is a bunch of guys who won’t quit using a broken service but rather moan about it for an hour for the doubtful pleasure of hundreds of people.
A more important point to make is about RSS itself.
I keep hearing/reading here and there (I think Scoble whined about it lately too) that RSS is not real-time and that’s a problem. Well, guess what, if a content publisher is using a healthy RSS mechanism (like WordPress’s) then the content is available to the RSS readers as soon as the post itself on the web page. So the only delay in getting it on consumer’s computer is how soon the consumer fires up his RSS reader or hits its refresh button. If you don’t like hitting Refresh every 10 seconds, make your RSS reader autorefresh – and if it can’t, get a reader that does.
There’s absolutely no reason why you shouldn’t be getting new RSS postings 30 seconds after they’re published. And to me 30 seconds is as real-time as it needs to be.
January 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Axure
Leave the stones throwing for someone who cares.
Feedburner has by far the leading market share for RSS, and as such needs to fix its lack of support for the emerging real time network. Already since this show (not the Gillmor Gang but NewsGang by the way) Feedburner engineers are exploring the problem and have isolated (they think) the problem specifically to the TechCrunchIT site. Once the 30 minute promised interval works there, I’m hoping they will begin to address the complexity of pinging and the results of that approach in moving past the 30 minute barrier.
It would be nice if people would confine themselves to providing information rather than attacking those who are looking for answers. Of course, if the attitude proves too noisy, I’ll just delete it.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Fair enuf.
I just don’t get it why would you use an external RSS feed output when your blogging software has its own (unless it hasn’t, which rises questions about your blogging software.) And the amount of time one of the participants of the podcast spent complaining about FeedBurner is just so funny when you consider how superfluous FeedBurner really is, when a WordPress (and probably any respectful blogging soft) can do the job out of the box, and how easy it is to switch.
As for the “emerging real-time network,” I’ve already stated my point: RSS has been real-time for long years, way before anyone even thought of a Tweeter. It just makes me cringe when I hear all those buzz-words, those “emerging” trends and technologies and weird acronyms, all brought to reinvent the wheel.
Unless, of course, people want to turn RSS into a “push” medium, like texting on mobiles, where the sheer fact of publishing a message causes it to be distributed directly to subscribers, whether they really want to have it at that moment or not. Then, I guess, it’s a question of how you find blogging. To me a blog post is supposed to be thoughtful or at least interesting and in general relatively long (as opposed to 140-character squeaks.) It’s like the old newspaper habit – you sit to your RSS reader when you want to enjoy some intellectual nourishment for some time, possibly with a cup of tea. There’s no reason why you should have postings be thrown at you 24/7. And if you really like that (because you’re an Arrington or a Scoble, and I can perfectly understand that, I’m close to that myself) – then again, all you need is to refresh your RSS reader – or rather set it to auto-refresh – and you already have a real-time flood of information without subscribing to some new technology hype.
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